Personal finance expert Dave Ramsey and TV host and advocate for skilled labor Mike Rowe are calling out the way traditional education has been propped up at the expense of skilled trades. In a wide-ranging conversation last year, the two urged Gen Z to rethink what success really looks like. “We are not saying four-year degrees are a bad thing,” Ramsey said. “We’re not saying ignorance is a bad thing. We’re not saying education as a concept is a bad thing. But when it’s overpriced and leveraged